Comments on: The Arrogance of BioWare http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:26:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Lol http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-19139 Lol Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:04:43 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-19139 If their intention of "brining story to MMOs" is glorified nursery rhymes and horrible teenage fanfiction with a company brand, then yeah I guess we can count on Bioware to deliver. If their intention of “brining story to MMOs” is glorified nursery rhymes and horrible teenage fanfiction with a company brand, then yeah I guess we can count on Bioware to deliver.

]]> By: Rob http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-17128 Rob Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:50:57 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-17128 You assume a little too much to suggest I've done this. It seems a site admin has done some deleting for some reason. I don't run the site; I don't have the ability to do it. And I haven't really been following the thread in recent days even if I wanted to, to be quite honest with you. Personally, I'm happy to go toe-to-toe with you, Openedge1, on anything to do with this game, or BioWare as a whole as this rampant fanboi-ism of "BioWare can do no wrong..." is extremely wide of the mark and I can't stand it. I'll point it out for being extremely misguided anytime you like. So... long story short, I have ***nothing*** to shy away from, nor do I see the need to delete anything from my POV. What others do, however, I have no control over. You assume a little too much to suggest I’ve done this. It seems a site admin has done some deleting for some reason. I don’t run the site; I don’t have the ability to do it. And I haven’t really been following the thread in recent days even if I wanted to, to be quite honest with you. Personally, I’m happy to go toe-to-toe with you, Openedge1, on anything to do with this game, or BioWare as a whole as this rampant fanboi-ism of “BioWare can do no wrong…” is extremely wide of the mark and I can’t stand it. I’ll point it out for being extremely misguided anytime you like. So… long story short, I have ***nothing*** to shy away from, nor do I see the need to delete anything from my POV. What others do, however, I have no control over.

]]> By: Openedge1 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-17109 Openedge1 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:00:54 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-17109 Wow... A convenient deletion of a mass of comments about how wrong this article and you as a poster are. Interesting. Wow…

A convenient deletion of a mass of comments about how wrong this article and you as a poster are.
Interesting.

]]> By: Kyusoath http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-17104 Kyusoath Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:29:24 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-17104 Story in mmos is the bits you skip, unless you are the 1% that actually reads the quest text. SWTOR will be a wowclone. cartoon disney garbage for children that found mommys credit card. doubly so now that its gonna be micro-transaction based (money grubbing) Story in mmos is the bits you skip, unless you are the 1% that actually reads the quest text.

SWTOR will be a wowclone. cartoon disney garbage for children that found mommys credit card. doubly so now that its gonna be micro-transaction based (money grubbing)

]]> By: Yeebo http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-16924 Yeebo Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:59:30 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-16924 @Mutant: I was thinking more as depicted in the movies and the existing Old Republic products. Even in the cannon there were a few non force users that were as much or more powerful than an average Jedi. General Grievous is a good example. However, most of those were rare exceptions to the general rule. I did mention a few roles where I thought it would be logical for non forces users to potentially equal or exceed jedi in my follow up post. I'm sure you could come up with others. @Mutant: I was thinking more as depicted in the movies and the existing Old Republic products. Even in the cannon there were a few non force users that were as much or more powerful than an average Jedi. General Grievous is a good example. However, most of those were rare exceptions to the general rule.

I did mention a few roles where I thought it would be logical for non forces users to potentially equal or exceed jedi in my follow up post. I’m sure you could come up with others.

]]> By: mutantmagnet http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-16920 mutantmagnet Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:30:13 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-16920 "In the Star Wars universe, force users are well and truly more powerful than non force users. " Are you talking about just the movies or the EU? Your memory of the EU is flawed if that is the case. The Yuzhon(sp!) Vong pretty much were immune but they were basically a plot device. There have been non force users the Jedi and Sith could fear. Rare as hell but they exist. “In the Star Wars universe, force users are well and truly more powerful than non force users. ”

Are you talking about just the movies or the EU? Your memory of the EU is flawed if that is the case. The Yuzhon(sp!) Vong pretty much were immune but they were basically a plot device. There have been non force users the Jedi and Sith could fear. Rare as hell but they exist.

]]> By: Yeebo http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-16909 Yeebo Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:28:55 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-16909 Oh yeah, and by GL won't have any input, I meant he won't be writing the story. Sure he can wade in a screw it up if he feels like it. But he hasn't done it with any of the previous Old Rebulbic products, I doubt he'll do it here. Oh yeah, and by GL won’t have any input, I meant he won’t be writing the story. Sure he can wade in a screw it up if he feels like it. But he hasn’t done it with any of the previous Old Rebulbic products, I doubt he’ll do it here.

]]> By: Yeebo http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-16908 Yeebo Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:25:59 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-16908 And by at Matt, parrently I meant @Rob And by at Matt, parrently I meant @Rob

]]> By: Yeebo http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-16907 Yeebo Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:24:06 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-16907 @Matt: "can be taken out by small groups of clone troupers"...that in itself implies that one on one Jedi are simply more powerfull than most characters. It was a fundamental issue with the idea of player Jedis that SOE was never able to get a handle on. From all that has been shown so far, this is KotoR the MMO. BIOWARE can say it isn't until they are blue in the face. The video supports my contention. Heavy emphasis on story, darkside/ light side plot branchpoints, Jedi leading around a non-jedi companion....that all screams KotOR. They even start the interview by pointing out that KotOR was the most financially successful games BIOWARE has made. Given the huge fanbase of those games BIOWARE would be absolute dumbasses not to try and rope the same players into their MMO. If you don't want an MMO that plays a lot like KotOR, prepare for disappointment. That said, I assume that we will be able to play non-Jedi if we feel like it. Presumably you'll be a bit gimpy compared to a jedi if you go that route, save for in a very specific realm. For example, being a jedi doesn't help you craft or hack computers. And in one on one combat , a bounty hunter can be close to as powerfull as a Jedi. However, who can say, they haven't stated one way or another. Honestly, I doubt the bulk of target market for this game really wants to play anything but Jedi. Very few players would have gone all the way through KotRO as a non-jedi even if they could have. I certainly would have done it (and I did put it off as long as I could in one play though), but I like to push envelopes in whatever games I play. @Matt: “can be taken out by small groups of clone troupers”…that in itself implies that one on one Jedi are simply more powerfull than most characters. It was a fundamental issue with the idea of player Jedis that SOE was never able to get a handle on.

From all that has been shown so far, this is KotoR the MMO. BIOWARE can say it isn’t until they are blue in the face. The video supports my contention. Heavy emphasis on story, darkside/ light side plot branchpoints, Jedi leading around a non-jedi companion….that all screams KotOR. They even start the interview by pointing out that KotOR was the most financially successful games BIOWARE has made. Given the huge fanbase of those games BIOWARE would be absolute dumbasses not to try and rope the same players into their MMO.

If you don’t want an MMO that plays a lot like KotOR, prepare for disappointment.

That said, I assume that we will be able to play non-Jedi if we feel like it. Presumably you’ll be a bit gimpy compared to a jedi if you go that route, save for in a very specific realm. For example, being a jedi doesn’t help you craft or hack computers. And in one on one combat , a bounty hunter can be close to as powerfull as a Jedi. However, who can say, they haven’t stated one way or another.

Honestly, I doubt the bulk of target market for this game really wants to play anything but Jedi. Very few players would have gone all the way through KotRO as a non-jedi even if they could have. I certainly would have done it (and I did put it off as long as I could in one play though), but I like to push envelopes in whatever games I play.

]]> By: Scott http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/comment-page-1/#comment-16883 Scott Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:19:33 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/12/12/the-arrogance-of-bioware/#comment-16883 "I’m also more than a little pissed that they are seemingly pushing the whole focus of the game towards Force users." Kinda like Mythic's videos kept pushing Destruction as the "cool" side? They'll eventually have to show everything but the scripted lightsaber duels are a huge part of Star Wars. On the plus side, at least they're emphasizing *both* Jedi and Sith right now, unlike Mythic who was Destruction, Destruction, Destruction for the longest time and that first month or so was rough when *imagine that* a vastly higher player population jumped on the Destruction train rather than Order. Bringing story to MMOs? Great, that's why I play LOTRO as my main and also why I enjoy Guild Wars. If BioWare can top that *without* forcing me to sit through long dialogue trees (especially if my choices end up not mattering in the end) that piss off the group if I don't skip through and spam the easy answers, maybe I'll be on board. But for now, I'm sick of all the broken promises and hype that was never delivered upon. I'm not jumping on anymore fanwagons over marketing's catch-phrases. “I’m also more than a little pissed that they are seemingly pushing the whole focus of the game towards Force users.”

Kinda like Mythic’s videos kept pushing Destruction as the “cool” side? They’ll eventually have to show everything but the scripted lightsaber duels are a huge part of Star Wars. On the plus side, at least they’re emphasizing *both* Jedi and Sith right now, unlike Mythic who was Destruction, Destruction, Destruction for the longest time and that first month or so was rough when *imagine that* a vastly higher player population jumped on the Destruction train rather than Order.

Bringing story to MMOs? Great, that’s why I play LOTRO as my main and also why I enjoy Guild Wars. If BioWare can top that *without* forcing me to sit through long dialogue trees (especially if my choices end up not mattering in the end) that piss off the group if I don’t skip through and spam the easy answers, maybe I’ll be on board. But for now, I’m sick of all the broken promises and hype that was never delivered upon. I’m not jumping on anymore fanwagons over marketing’s catch-phrases.

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