Comments on: 17 days of Warhammer http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:01:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Rob http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-24729 Rob Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:53:54 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-24729 Given the ESL nature of that text, I really have no idea what you're actually trying to say. But thanks for the continued hits and comments on the site, I guess. They all help. Given the ESL nature of that text, I really have no idea what you’re actually trying to say. But thanks for the continued hits and comments on the site, I guess. They all help.

]]> By: Hanako http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-24037 Hanako Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:40:12 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-24037 This is the difference: First player levels to the cap of WotLK and finds out that in the end, there is only more raiding to do - so he states that it is nothing new at all, only more raiding to do. Second player who buy WotLK, and cancels subscription on lvl 40 writing article about "nothing new comapred to burning crusade - all the way to lvl 40 it is the same, developers have failed". Of course that, in some way, they are both saying the same thing. But if the second player is true, it is only by chance. And I belive that therte would be many WOW players saying that his argumentation is silly and if there is some problem with WotLK, it is not similarity of first 40 lvls. If you cannot see the difference between first and second player, respecive between you and Stephen, I really have nothing more to say :). But thanks for your responses, I enjoyed this discussion so far - it was far more relevant and appealing than the post itself :). This is the difference:
First player levels to the cap of WotLK and finds out that in the end, there is only more raiding to do – so he states that it is nothing new at all, only more raiding to do.
Second player who buy WotLK, and cancels subscription on lvl 40 writing article about “nothing new comapred to burning crusade – all the way to lvl 40 it is the same, developers have failed”.
Of course that, in some way, they are both saying the same thing. But if the second player is true, it is only by chance. And I belive that therte would be many WOW players saying that his argumentation is silly and if there is some problem with WotLK, it is not similarity of first 40 lvls.
If you cannot see the difference between first and second player, respecive between you and Stephen, I really have nothing more to say :) . But thanks for your responses, I enjoyed this discussion so far – it was far more relevant and appealing than the post itself :) .

]]> By: Rob http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23635 Rob Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:54:13 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23635 Heh, so you agree with Stephen, who says stuff like, "I remember how very simple and uninspiring it was to push the city…I remember why WAR just doesn’t do it for me. Sure its a lot of action, but its like listening to very loud bad music or watching a very bad action movie. Its numbing and I just want to turn it off..." then you turn around and want to disagree with me for saying, among other things, "No passion, no sense of achievement..."?!? I think you're going out of your way to disagree with me simply because I've hit a raw nerve somehow. Because Stephen's comment(s) and my "No passion, no sense of achievement..." mean EXACTLY the same thing. EXACTLY THE SAME THING. How can you miss that? Obligatory repost: .. It’s great to see some people commenting who, clearly, enjoy their Warhammer. Good for you guys - that’s awesome, ya know? What’s not so great is that they can’t seem to let someone have a contrary opinion without cracking the shits. Oh well, human nature, I suppose. Heh, so you agree with Stephen, who says stuff like, “I remember how very simple and uninspiring it was to push the city…I remember why WAR just doesn’t do it for me. Sure its a lot of action, but its like listening to very loud bad music or watching a very bad action movie. Its numbing and I just want to turn it off…” then you turn around and want to disagree with me for saying, among other things, “No passion, no sense of achievement…”?!? I think you’re going out of your way to disagree with me simply because I’ve hit a raw nerve somehow. Because Stephen’s comment(s) and my “No passion, no sense of achievement…” mean EXACTLY the same thing. EXACTLY THE SAME THING. How can you miss that? Obligatory repost:
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It’s great to see some people commenting who, clearly, enjoy their Warhammer. Good for you guys – that’s awesome, ya know? What’s not so great is that they can’t seem to let someone have a contrary opinion without cracking the shits. Oh well, human nature, I suppose.

]]> By: Hanako http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23566 Hanako Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:48:55 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23566 Stephen, i agree with you and appreciate your view. I enjoy WAR as any other MMO before (yes, i play sice UO too) but i understand, that it is not game for everyone. You tried the game and realised that it is not for you. It is not and it will never be mainstream game. I bet my shoes that most of the people who replied to this post would was not trying to say that everyone should like WAR. Quick and very, VERY rude post based on zero to no experience with the game (once again, because of low populated server and no T4 experience) is different story. There is no reply saying that WAR is perfect game and Rob is fool because he do not enjoy it. Everyone here says that WAR do not have flaws described in the post and author of the article do not have enough experience with the game to white something like: "No passion, no sense of achievement, no sense of community, virtually no sense of fun… nothing. I’d really hate to have been a dev pouring years of my life into this, that’s for sure." Warhammer comunity is the best i have ever seen - almost no silly kids trying to show you how big balls they have, great blogs to read when you cannot log in, tons of lore surrounding the game and great, great dev team... How can ANYONE write that there is no sense of comunity in the game, when he did not even joined a solid guild? In your last reply, you dismissed those reactions with demagogic statement: "It’s based on my thoughts, feelings, playstyle, yes - choice of server, and maybe 101 other things. As such, it can’t be wrong. People are free to have different experiences and, thus, opinions." You remind me of Bishop Williamson. His statements that there was no holocaust are also based on his "thoughts, feelings and opinions". According to your logic, he can be never wrong? People are having diffrent experineces and opinions, of course, but they are often wrong. Of course, exept you and Mr. Williamson :D. P.S.: Dismissing someone's opinions as "rabid fanboism" is really cheap response :). Stephen, i agree with you and appreciate your view. I enjoy WAR as any other MMO before (yes, i play sice UO too) but i understand, that it is not game for everyone. You tried the game and realised that it is not for you. It is not and it will never be mainstream game. I bet my shoes that most of the people who replied to this post would was not trying to say that everyone should like WAR.

Quick and very, VERY rude post based on zero to no experience with the game (once again, because of low populated server and no T4 experience) is different story. There is no reply saying that WAR is perfect game and Rob is fool because he do not enjoy it. Everyone here says that WAR do not have flaws described in the post and author of the article do not have enough experience with the game to white something like:

“No passion, no sense of achievement, no sense of community, virtually no sense of fun… nothing. I’d really hate to have been a dev pouring years of my life into this, that’s for sure.”

Warhammer comunity is the best i have ever seen – almost no silly kids trying to show you how big balls they have, great blogs to read when you cannot log in, tons of lore surrounding the game and great, great dev team… How can ANYONE write that there is no sense of comunity in the game, when he did not even joined a solid guild?

In your last reply, you dismissed those reactions with demagogic statement:
“It’s based on my thoughts, feelings, playstyle, yes – choice of server, and maybe 101 other things. As such, it can’t be wrong. People are free to have different experiences and, thus, opinions.”
You remind me of Bishop Williamson. His statements that there was no holocaust are also based on his “thoughts, feelings and opinions”. According to your logic, he can be never wrong?

People are having diffrent experineces and opinions, of course, but they are often wrong. Of course, exept you and Mr. Williamson :D .

P.S.: Dismissing someone’s opinions as “rabid fanboism” is really cheap response :) .

]]> By: Stephen http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23424 Stephen Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:56:53 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23424 I agree with Rob eventhough I understand why so many replies slam him. He seems to have rushed his review. I have a 40 warrior priest on Skull Throne and 40 magus on Badlands. Both are well populated. So heres my response to all the negative replies. When I remember how very simple and uninspiring it was to push the city...I remember why WAR just doesn't do it for me. Sure its a lot of action, but its like listening to very loud bad music or watching a very bad action movie. Its numbing and I just want to turn it off. I've done 6v6 and the pace of combat is so slow it just pales in comparison to 8v8 in DAoC. Maybe all you people just like to zerg surf. I dunno. I don't enjoy doing that. What really makes WAR boring is that theres so much PvE and public quests involved in the end game. I'm so tired of being lead around by "objectives" and "victory points" that I couldn't pay for another month. Compared to DAoC, there is very little freedom in WAR. I also hate the fact that you're rewarded gear for Realm Ranks. That was a big mistake. I liked your review Rob. You only saw the tip of the iceberg, but you got the idea. I agree with Rob eventhough I understand why so many replies slam him. He seems to have rushed his review.

I have a 40 warrior priest on Skull Throne and 40 magus on Badlands. Both are well populated. So heres my response to all the negative replies.
When I remember how very simple and uninspiring it was to push the city…I remember why WAR just doesn’t do it for me. Sure its a lot of action, but its like listening to very loud bad music or watching a very bad action movie. Its numbing and I just want to turn it off. I’ve done 6v6 and the pace of combat is so slow it just pales in comparison to 8v8 in DAoC. Maybe all you people just like to zerg surf. I dunno. I don’t enjoy doing that.
What really makes WAR boring is that theres so much PvE and public quests involved in the end game. I’m so tired of being lead around by “objectives” and “victory points” that I couldn’t pay for another month. Compared to DAoC, there is very little freedom in WAR.
I also hate the fact that you’re rewarded gear for Realm Ranks. That was a big mistake.

I liked your review Rob. You only saw the tip of the iceberg, but you got the idea.

]]> By: Rob http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23270 Rob Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:14:25 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23270 "Perfect, way to be cocky and patronizing at the same time. " .. Thankyou, so my meaning came across at least. .. Let me be as plain as I can. I've put forward an opinion. It's based on my thoughts, feelings, playstyle, yes - choice of server, and maybe 101 other things. As such, it can't be wrong. People are free to have different experiences and, thus, opinions, but the patronising tones; the suggestions that I couldn't possibly know what I was talking about, etc, are flat-out wrong, not to mention rude. So you wonder why I choose to punch back? Gee... I wonder why? I'll conclude with the very first reply I made to this thread, because it still applies: .. It’s great to see some people commenting who, clearly, enjoy their Warhammer. Good for you guys - that’s awesome, ya know? What’s not so great is that they can’t seem to let someone have a contrary opinion without cracking the shits. Oh well, human nature, I suppose. “Perfect, way to be cocky and patronizing at the same time. ”
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Thankyou, so my meaning came across at least.
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Let me be as plain as I can. I’ve put forward an opinion. It’s based on my thoughts, feelings, playstyle, yes – choice of server, and maybe 101 other things. As such, it can’t be wrong. People are free to have different experiences and, thus, opinions, but the patronising tones; the suggestions that I couldn’t possibly know what I was talking about, etc, are flat-out wrong, not to mention rude. So you wonder why I choose to punch back? Gee… I wonder why? I’ll conclude with the very first reply I made to this thread, because it still applies:
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It’s great to see some people commenting who, clearly, enjoy their Warhammer. Good for you guys – that’s awesome, ya know? What’s not so great is that they can’t seem to let someone have a contrary opinion without cracking the shits. Oh well, human nature, I suppose.

]]> By: Llokki http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23258 Llokki Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:26:14 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23258 Jennifer said pretty much everything I wanted to say. WAR is a game and lives or dies by it's server population, so saying that you didn't enjoy your time on what sounds very much like a very low population server is like saying the sky is blue. If you didn't enjoy it because it's not your flavour (so to speak) then that's perfectly fine, but don't make such broad (and untrue) statements such as "As far as I can see, however, everyone else in the MMO community had already tried the game, declared it a dog and moved on" when you haven't even played the game as it's meant to be played. Jennifer said pretty much everything I wanted to say. WAR is a game and lives or dies by it’s server population, so saying that you didn’t enjoy your time on what sounds very much like a very low population server is like saying the sky is blue. If you didn’t enjoy it because it’s not your flavour (so to speak) then that’s perfectly fine, but don’t make such broad (and untrue) statements such as “As far as I can see, however, everyone else in the MMO community had already tried the game, declared it a dog and moved on” when you haven’t even played the game as it’s meant to be played.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23245 Jennifer Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:04:04 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23245 "Erm, no, actually. I’ve had several posts well into the 100s of comments. This one’s small potatoes. Dare I say it, there probably aren’t enough WAR fans to bother replying…" Perfect, way to be cocky and patronizing at the same time. It's not quite accurate, though. It's not that there aren't enough WAR fans to get you into the 100s of comments that you seem to take so much pride in, but that most WAR fans probably won't bother now that they've seen how incapable you are of adequately responding to their questions/comments. I think it's pretty obvious that most of the WAR commenters here are not the "rabid fanboi's" you characterize them as, but players who enjoy their game and want to know more details about your experience. They are concerned that you played on a server that was underpopulated and therefore could not get the same experience that players on medium and high pop servers get. They wonder (like I do) how far you actually made it through the levels before deciding the game wasn't for you. No one here is attacking you, they just want to defend their game and, possibly, persuade you to give it another shot. They enjoy it, so they want to share their good experiences with you as a way of proving that there's more the game than you were able to see. Talking around those comments without directly addressing any of them and denouncing them as "fanbois" doesn't make you look so good. No wonder only the most hardcore players are willing to respond to your article: the casual are too uninterested in your shenanigans to bother. “Erm, no, actually. I’ve had several posts well into the 100s of comments. This one’s small potatoes. Dare I say it, there probably aren’t enough WAR fans to bother replying…”

Perfect, way to be cocky and patronizing at the same time. It’s not quite accurate, though. It’s not that there aren’t enough WAR fans to get you into the 100s of comments that you seem to take so much pride in, but that most WAR fans probably won’t bother now that they’ve seen how incapable you are of adequately responding to their questions/comments.

I think it’s pretty obvious that most of the WAR commenters here are not the “rabid fanboi’s” you characterize them as, but players who enjoy their game and want to know more details about your experience. They are concerned that you played on a server that was underpopulated and therefore could not get the same experience that players on medium and high pop servers get. They wonder (like I do) how far you actually made it through the levels before deciding the game wasn’t for you. No one here is attacking you, they just want to defend their game and, possibly, persuade you to give it another shot. They enjoy it, so they want to share their good experiences with you as a way of proving that there’s more the game than you were able to see.

Talking around those comments without directly addressing any of them and denouncing them as “fanbois” doesn’t make you look so good. No wonder only the most hardcore players are willing to respond to your article: the casual are too uninterested in your shenanigans to bother.

]]> By: Xeteskian http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23176 Xeteskian Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:30:42 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23176 And this just sums up why I left WAR, the game was mediocre in my opinion and I prefer a richer storyline. But the diehards... sheesh! From day one where people were literally threatened with their lives due to a poor launch to this article. Anyone who doesn’t agree with the fans seems to be classed as the scum of the world. Not everyone is the same guys, if Rob didn’t like the game for reasons specific to him, then leave it at that, HE didn’t like it, YOU do. Why revert to name calling and general negativity? Just play the game and be nice.... It'll make the world a better place ya'know! Make love, not WAR :) Xet And this just sums up why I left WAR, the game was mediocre in my opinion and I prefer a richer storyline. But the diehards… sheesh!

From day one where people were literally threatened with their lives due to a poor launch to this article. Anyone who doesn’t agree with the fans seems to be classed as the scum of the world.

Not everyone is the same guys, if Rob didn’t like the game for reasons specific to him, then leave it at that, HE didn’t like it, YOU do. Why revert to name calling and general negativity? Just play the game and be nice…. It’ll make the world a better place ya’know!

Make love, not WAR :)

Xet

]]> By: Shiro http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/comment-page-1/#comment-23164 Shiro Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:26:11 +0000 http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/02/21/17-days-of-warhammer/#comment-23164 Wow, what an expert. I bet he can tell it's a shop from the pixels and seeing many shops in his time. Wow, what an expert. I bet he can tell it’s a shop from the pixels and seeing many shops in his time.

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